| I am writing an essay
on "Marx and Weber, the comparisons and contrasts relating to class and
stratification. (writes george)
Hi george, Sorry to have taken so long to get
back to you -- the day job keeps me busy. I'm glad someone still gets people
to read Weber -- I've had lots of requests for help comparing Marx and
functionalism!!. In general, books which discuss this well is Giddens ('Sociology')
or Ritzer. There are also two large sociology sites called SOSIG and Sociosite
(I link to both from my
I am a bit rusty on this myself, but I can outline the basics. Hope it helps. Marx's work on social class can be
developed from my file on Marx on surplus value. The systematic and structured
exploitation of labour power in capitalism generates two fundamental classes
(bourgeoisie and proletariat).One owns the means of production, while the
other owns nothing but labour. Since they differ about who has the right
to the surplus value that is generated in capitalist production, there
is an in-built class struggle between them.The bourgeoisie enlist the aid
of political,
OK so that's the usual model found
in Marxism, and Weber is usually brought in to explain more of the complexity
of actual stratification systems, which typically do not take on this polarised
fundamental form. Weber agrees that there are classes in capitalism, but
sees them as arising whenever any one group tries to gain an advantage
in a (labour) market. These markets are
That summarises the usual initial debate, and Weber usually emerges as the better theorist, because he can explain more of the complexities of modern stratification, while Marx is seen as too keen to reduce everything down to one fundamental model based on his own (questionable) analysis of capitalism as exploitation. I don't know how far advanced you are in your studies of Sociology yet, but you might want to stop right there at this initial level. You can go on to another level of
debate though if you want. This might proceed by looking at Marx's other
models of social class. The polarised one stems from his quick and revolutionary
'Manifesto' of 1848,when things were looking pretty polarised across Europe.
When he comes to analyse actual societies after this revolutionary moment,
he offers a more complex
Other discussions in later Marx refer to other social classes (or to important social divisions within them) too. He was aware of the growing emergence of a stratum of skilled labour, including middle managers and 'superintendents'. He also noticed the persistence of domestic servants in Britain (inevitably -- he employed some himself!!) These groups could be explained as arising from specialisation in the basic system --as it gets really productive (still from exploitation of labour), the surpluses can be spent on 'unproductive labour' (which does not itself generate surplus value directly). So Marx isn't quite the simple advocate
of 2 classes. You can still see him as arguing for two fundamental classes
'beneath the surface', 'in essence' as it were -- but he was aware that
'on the surface', a much more complex picture can emerge. One important
and more recent exponent of this view was Poulantzas, who saw the fundamental
economic 'level' of class society
NB When Giddens was a marxist, he developed a powerful model of class relations as shaped by combinations of 'mediate' (eg social mobility chances) and 'proximate' (eg work situation) 'structuration factors' Turning to Weber, we can complicate him a bit too. He also talked of more fundamental trends in stratification, with systems varying from predominantly class-based to predominantly status-based, depending on the state of the economy (roughly, affluence leads to more of a concern with status). He may or may not have seen the long-term trend towards a 'rational' system of stratification -- one based on 'ladders' of merit or expertise. Some more recent Weberians have also
interpreted his work as leading to the importance of local and widespread
conflicts and contests between groups (hence 'conflict theory'). Others
have pointed to the significance of the processes of closing off opportunities
in markets as central to the whole thing -- and have developed a 'class
closure' approach, looking at typical
So -- the battle still rages on this
complex level. Marxists say Weber is naive in not recognising that the
whole surface thing still rests on capitalism which gives it its whole
point (eg the rationality that so interested Weber is still capitalist
rationality -- ie irrationality for Marxists!!). Weberians like Turner
have argued that the only way marxism has retained any credibility is by
smuggling in the best bits of Weber -- so Poulantzas's sophisticated model
actually looks pretty much like Weber's one
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